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Patch Poll: The Boy Scouts' Ban on Gays

Do you agree with the organization's decision to continue excluding gays?

 

The Boy Scouts of America has reaffirmed its policy of excluding gays, the Huffington Post reports.

The Scouts said a committee studied the question for two years and decided to stick with the policy. In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Scouts' right to exclude gays because it's a private organization.

The decision has angered gay and lesbian groups, the Huffington Post reported.

The president of the largest U.S. gay-rights group, Chad Griffin of the Human Rights Campaign, depicted the Scouts' decision as "a missed opportunity of colossal proportions."

"With the country moving toward inclusion, the leaders of the Boy Scouts of America have instead sent a message to young people that only some of them are valued," he said. "They've chosen to teach division and intolerance."

But how will parents react in gay-friendly Decatur and Avondale Estates?

If you have a son in Scouts, will you consider taking him out of Scouts?

If you have a son too young for Scouts, will this decision stop you from enrolling him in Scouts?

Give you answer in the comments box below.

  • Do you agree with the Boy Scouts decision to ban gays?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        9 (15%)
    • No
        48 (84%)
    • Don't know
        0 (0%)
    Total votes: 57
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Boy Scouts of America and Gays

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Ralph Ellis

8:05 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Do you think the Boy Scouts are wrong?

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Lori Diem

9:58 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

My son is 2. Until they decide to not discriminate against anyone, I will not have my son join the scouts. Teaching intolerance is unacceptable in my household!

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Lisa Cohen

12:24 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

hi ralph...looks like we have a troll here. kinda shocked at the hateful comments that began flowing into my inbox from this 7 month old thread. perhaps you can disable comments so we don't keep getting them.

JohnWV

9:25 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Homosexual criminality and disease transmission statistics are way above the norm. In anything like a scouting environment, knowledgeable parents will choose discrimination rather than expose their children. Ask Google.

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Rosannrosannadanna

1:43 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

John, an honest and open conversation about homosexuality is needed because both sides of the issue are highly biased. Researchers drive for the results that they already believe in (This article sums it up pretty well - recohttp://borngay.procon.org/sourcefiles/How_does_the_Sexual_Orientation_of_Parents_Matter.pdf)

Other than a few random blogs that come up, almost all the hits returned by Google are based on informatio nfrom Dr. Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute. He and his "research" have been thoroughly discredited. He was expelled from the APA, reprimanded by the ASA and is given little attention from the scientific community because his work is unreliable. It's too bad that people such as Michelle Bachmann and youself keep repeating it.

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Randall J Stevens

5:21 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Let me tell you about a few well known homosexuals. John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer. Enough said.

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steve tenace

5:23 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Rosannadanna - Sorry gal,

"Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents' sexual orientation."

~~ American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers

Do you also want to attempt to discredit or dismiss the APA too?

David D

9:50 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

There is far less homosexual criminality than hetero criminality. What blundergoop!

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D Ebaugh

9:42 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I'm with you! Sexual orientation is not linked to criminality... Scouts should wake up!

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Randall J Stevens

5:23 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Are you serious? I guess Dahmer and Gacy were completely innocent individuals that were framed because they were gay right?

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steve tenace

8:19 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

There are many less homosexuals then there are heterosexuals.

Catrina

9:46 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

The hard facts are these:

Homosexuality is *NOT* pedophilia.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Pedophilic males are overwhelmingly more like to be married heterosexuals. Think Jerry Sandusky as a prime example, & the Boy Scouts would've welcomed that monster with open arms & given him carte blanche.

Like Sandusky, many of those who are most successful at preying on young boys are men considered to be pillars of the community, with wives who back them fully.

It is much more rare for a male who openly identifies himself as homosexual/gay to be a child predator, & confusing homosexuality with pedophilia is like confusing consensual sex with rape: the motions of the act may be the same but these are two very, very different acts, with two very different types of people who engage in them.

People have got to stop confusing homosexuality with predation.

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Randall J Stevens

5:34 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

I'm sorry to burst your bubble on this one, but any attraction to the opposite sex = homosexuality. Plus there is a huge difference between child molesters and pedophiles. Child molesters target children in the age ranges of 10-17, pedophiles target children under 10. If you are going to smear the name of an organization that has included upstanding individuals such as: John F. Kennedy, Harrison Ford, Bill Gates, Alberto Salazar, Merlin Olsen, Harrison Salisbury, Gerald Ford, H. Ross Perot, Henry Louis Aaron (AKA Hank Aaron), Steven Spielberg, and Neil Armstrong, at least use the correct terminology.

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steve tenace

5:36 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Catrina – your personal views are in err or inaccurate at best.

A male child molester who molests a young boy is a homosexual.

Not all gays are child molesters. However all child molesters who molest children of the same sex are homosexual – married or not. It is this type of homosexual that fathers of young boys in the scouts are rightfully concerned about - and want to keep them as far away from their sons as possible.

Sandusky is not a “Pedophilic married heterosexual” as you assert, he is a homosexual pedophile who happens to be married – and now in prison where he belongs. How many others like him want to join the BSA? Good question – but the question relevant to the topic we’re discussing now is how many openly homosexual men that are closet pedophiles will want to join the scouts if the bad is lifted?

Lisa Cohen

9:48 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

i was going to ask who in the world would actually AGREE to ban gays, then i read the comments above..and now i know. sheesh...unbelievable.

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steve tenace

5:39 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Oh I dont know, ...a father of young boys maybe? Judging by your cute yet clueless little photo Lisa Cohen you dont appear to qualify.

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Lisa Cohen

7:58 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

what a clueless and ignorant remark steve. i have a 23 yr old heterosexual son who was raised by myself and my best friend, a gay man (the heterosexual father of my son chose to drink himself to death..you know how those heteros are). you obviously don't know me. nor do you have the intelligence to know the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Jonathan Belcher

9:49 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The Boy scouts are a private organization. Are there not other private organizations and groups other than the boy scouts who exclude membership to their organization based on factors such as race, gender, religious beliefs? I can think of Augusta golf club just as one example. I've heard private organizations do not have adhere to the same standards that a public organization or company has to follow?

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Rosannrosannadanna

10:00 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Jonathan, the discussion is about whether people agree with the Boy Scouts decision, not whether or not they have the right to make it. And I might add that private groups that decide to exclude, although they have such a right, are better served making such a decision based on legitimate and unbiased information, as much as that is possible in such a politically polluted age, rather than the nonsense spewed by JohnWV above.

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steve tenace

5:45 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

The 2000 Supreme Court case ruled 5-4 in the BSA’s favor centered on the institutions core values of adhering to Christian principles. If the determination of admitting homosexuals is transferred to the local level, these principles will no longer be a core value.

If we don’t think lawsuits, test cases, de facto recruitment and affirmative action will not follow the possible adoption of the policy as it was proposed; and if we think the vast homosexual rights lobby will finally leave the Scouts alone if the policy is changed, we do not understand the drive of the political, moral - and even “religious” left - such as the Apostle Mena Johnson.

Despite their lofty rhetoric, these homosexual activists aren’t genuinely interested in “equality.” Nothing has ever prevented the creation of an equivalent Scouting group that specifically celebrates whatever values, or lack thereof, are currently fashionable on the left. It’s obvious to me that such a group would attract few members, so instead of building something on their own, the goal has been to infiltrate and destroy from within traditional organizations that engage in character formation. Whether the BSA admits gays on a national level or it collapses altogether, it doesn’t matter to them

Either way will work toward eliminating a constant reminder that some still believe their conduct is wrong or even sinful. What they want is for everyone and every organization to view them as ‘normal’.

Rachael Hunter

10:06 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I find the decision disgusting and unacceptable. The Boy Scouts will continue to lose my support until they wisen up and join the real world.

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steve tenace

5:47 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

I doubt you ever supported the BSA in the first place Rachel Hunter. Go ahead and drop your "support" and I'll take your place and increase increase it!

john penn

10:09 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

When I was in the scouts, the issue of sexuality was never brought up nor did it need to be as one's sexuality was not the mission of the organization. Society feels the need to interject sex into EVERYTHING and this is offensive in itself. There has to be someplace where a young man or young girl can go and be a part of something without the pressure of sexual activity or orientation.

You cannot ban people based upon sexual orientation because gay and straight will ALWAYS be with us in all areas where there is human interaction. Bottom line: a heterosexual who overtly expounds on his/her conquests is no better than an overtly gay person who does the same. Either doing so is, in my opinion, unacceptable. We have certain stereotypes about gays that we have not overcome and our acceptance of these stereotypes are the source of our fears. Someone said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Are y'all feeling me?(Not literally, thank you)

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Jonathan Belcher

10:27 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I was an Indian Guide, Never got into the whole boy scout thing. Are they still around? If so maybe folks can take their kids to that organization. I don't think they have a policy on Gay/lesbian guide leaders? I can see where people would really feel strongly about this on both sides of the fence. One great thing about our country is we always have the choice not to spend our money somewhere we are not comfortable with. Or better yet, change the laws associated with federal/state support. I think it will be difficult to change any private organizations policies,no matter how unfair they may be based on public opinion alone with the law written as it currently stands regarding any national or regional private organization.

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taxus

10:57 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I'm OK with the Supreme Court decision. There are plenty of dissenters and I'm OK with that too.

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taxus

11:02 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Should the Boy Scouts decide to admit gays, there would need to be an additional raft of merit badges available such as Interior Decorating, Hair Styling, and Broadway Musical Classics.

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David Kolb

9:45 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

I'm torn between congratulating you on an epic troll or berating you for failing to provide sarcasm punctuation of some sort. :-/

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Randall J Stevens

5:51 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

You forgot to add: Drag Queen, Chihuahua Care, Accessorizing, and Manicuring merit badges.

bulldogger

9:00 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Do you agree with the Boy Scouts decision to ban gays?

Yes, I do......because it's their right to do so. And I think the majority of the population of America would agree with me, but you know what?......that's neither here nor there. What is this "Fixation" that we have on Gays and Lesbians? Oh, those poor downtrodden people, they are so discriminated against.......let's do something for 'em. My opinion is that if you asked them, the majority would say......"just shut up about it". Which class of people are you gonna take up the banner for next? The Boy Scouts have been a model organization for a long, long time......don't try to change 'em just because you happen to think differently. And Scott, I bet you've started eating at CFA again, already?

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Steven Markham

9:19 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

I think I might need to stop reading the comments people leave on Patch. I'm regularly appalled by how narrow minded and ignorant some people can be. There's an old adage: "It's better to remain silent and be thought at fool, then to speak and remove all doubt". Bulldogger, and JohnWV, it's already to late for you. For the rest of you, don't fuel the fire. People like them are just on here posting tripe to ruin your Saturday morning. Enjoy your coffee and peace of mind knowing you're already on a different plane that the likes of these folks

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bulldogger

10:49 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Steven Markham
9:19 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

You see, Steven, I'm posting a comment that's is counter to what your opinion is and you're calling me a "Fool". You probably wouldn't like the way I dress either or the way I talk, but you know what......that's what makes us all different, thank goodness. Just think about it, Steven......if the Boy Scouts, or even Scott's favorite eating place were to come out and change their philosophy, would not that be the height of hypocrisy? You know, everybody don't think alike and maybe when you grow up, you'll come to realize that.

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Rosannrosannadanna

11:21 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

bulldogger
10:49 am on Saturday, July 21st, the year of our Lord two thousand and twelve, Decatur, Georgia, USA, Earth, Solar System, Universe.

Thanks so much for setting us straight. You are right that Me and Steven are only younguns. In fact, I am still in diapers (and I need a change!). We have only a fraction of the vast life experience and wisdom that you do. Please enlighten us with the other things we can do to better ourselves, oh master.

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Debbie D.

11:46 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

I grew up with parents that wanted me to interact with all types of people which meant different races, religions, walks of life, different levels of education and also the gay community. I was taught to appreciate the individual person so personally I couldn't care less if you are Jewish/Muslim/Catholic, etc, gay/lesbian/straight/celebrate young/old/middle aged, from USA/China/Brazil etc. What I care I care about is the quality of the person heart and character. I hate to think of of the truly wonderful and some not so wonderful people though out my 49 years that I would have missed if I had a personal ban on Gays in my own life.

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taxus

4:28 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Boy scouts aren't banned from homosexuals. Declared homosexuals are banned from membership. It's a kind of "don't ask, don't tell" policy similar to the US military's a few years back. For over one hundred years, Boy Scouts has been an outstanding, if imperfect for some, organization.

mark

8:10 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Wow Taxus... Thanks for that explanation...you are deep!

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Bob White

10:33 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

Back in the 70's when I was just starting (soon ended) boy scouts one "leader" chose to molest me. Wasn't much fun.

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Lisa Cohen

10:48 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

that's horrible bob....though pedophilia and homosexuality are two entirely different subjects. seems when a pedophile is convicted, molester is generally a heterosexual, often married person. at least from what i have read and seen on a personal level.

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A Decatur Mom

9:07 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

And the "leader" was probably a married father and church goer considered to be an upstanding member of his community. Pedophilia is a crime, no matter what your sexual orientation. Homophobia does not protect children from pedophiles. In fact, it gives a false sense of security.

bulldogger

11:44 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

@Scott Tewell
11:21 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

bulldogger
10:49 am on Saturday, July 21st, the year of our Lord two thousand and twelve, Decatur, Georgia, USA, Earth, Solar System, Universe.

WOW, Star Wars fan, eh? Maybe even "A Dark Knight" Fan. May the force be with you, Scott.......there's a whole army of folks that happen to think differently.......and you know what? You ain't gonna change their way of thinking with your little "Boycott" and you're sure not gonna change Truett Cathy.

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steve tenace

5:53 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

As young boys go through scouting, maturing from childhood to adolescence to being a well developed young man, many will feel the uncertainty or doubt of their developing masculinity somewhere in this process; and this is exactly where scouting has helped thousands of young boys mature into fully developed heterosexual men. The homosexual "troop leader" will argue of course that this young boy "IS" a homosexual and that he should be the one to "counsel" him and guide him through this confusion, saving him years of frustration and anguish by helping him "accept his homosexuality" early in life.

Then were faced with the battle between this misguided homosexual and the heterosexual leader that sees nothing wrong with the boy, and in many ways sees himself in him just as much as the homosexual believes he does. The homosexual agenda will continue to push for laws like what has been passed in California, claiming it is "unhealthy and dangerous" to attempt to counsel this young man in his heterosexuality, and that the heterosexual is being bigoted and a "homophobe", and must be prevented from seeking counseling for their sons. I can imagine the laws they would push for next!

Hey, I’ll bet you the APA is going to start defending pedophiles next, how much you want to bet? Anyone game for that one?

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Lisa Cohen

8:09 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

wow the influx of ignorant, bigoted anti-homosexual comments are appalling. i love living in decatur and can't help but thing these narrow minded trolls don't live here. i have amazing neighbors whose sexual orientations, nationalities and races are diverse and accepted. the character of a person is what's important. i'm a single mom who raised my son with a gay man...we would go to gay men's chorus concerts for christmas as well as synagogue services, soccer games, school plays, etc. amazingly, my son likes girls..guys the gay wasn't contagious.

i'm shocked that there are people like this commenting on this thread here...most gay-bashing comes from a place of fear and insecurity...like the anti-gay politicians who eventually "come out" after yrs of self loathing and shame, i'm here with love and support when these fear based haters come to terms with who they really are.

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A Decatur Mom

11:07 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Unfortunately, many community blogs are going the way of talk/hate radio and talk/hate TV forums. The blog medium is quickly becoming dysfunctional and losing readers. I wish Patch would moderate more. Decatur Metro does a much better job of moderating out disrespectful, rude, or hateful comments.

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steve tenace

11:35 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I agree, Lisa is disrespectful, rude, and full of hateful comments, using terms such as ignorant and bigoted.

taxus

11:45 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ralph
How do I turn this thing off? I'm getting an email every five minutes about a cat fight. I'd hate to put Patch on Spam but that's an option right now.

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Ralph Ellis

12:56 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Taxus, let me check on that. I think it's something you'll need to do yourself by changing the settings of your user status on Patch.

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Ralph Ellis

1:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The comments on this article are now being moderated before publication.

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